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July 30, 2010 by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) at 07:35 AM

This Globe and Mail article documents the increasing percentage of the cost of Canadian university students’ education that is being paid by their tuition fees. The tone of the article is that it’s a shame, really, and governments should be paying much more - if not all - of the cost to students.

However, there is another way to look at high tuition fees, as these two articles (here and here) from our archives attest. The bottom line is that when students are paying only a small proportion of the cost of their education, universities devalue them as customers, isolating university administrations from the consequences of their decisions about such things as course offerings, qualify of education, professorial availability, and responsiveness to students’ needs. 

Quoting from the article “Students Without Borders”: “The result has been precisely what Adam Smith observed 200 years ago about the difference between Oxford and the University of Glasgow. At the University of Glasgow (where Smith taught), the well-being of the professors depended upon their being able to satisfy the expectations of their students (because the students paid their professors directly). These students were well-served. At Oxbridge, where the professors lived essentially from the endowment of the university rather than from the money freely given by the students in exchange for quality services, the professors were awkward, indifferent, and distant.”

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In the one PDF file, called Profitable Universities:

“Frustration with the inadequate performance of higher-education institutions is centuries old. In 1776, Adam Smith wrote: “In general, the richest and best endowed universities have been the slowest in adopting … improvements.” Having attended the particularly heavily-endowed Oxford University, he spoke from bitter experience.
Smith makes almost exactly the same complaint as the 1985 Macdonald Commission, namely that innovative ideas and initiatives tend to come from outside the university sector”

It would be an interesting study, to compared the well endowed Canadian universities such as Toronto, to the smaller universities, on innovation, ideas, initiatives and research. Below is one link, on one small university, on the latest in neuroscience. The implications in 15 years from now, will be life changing if everything pans out.

http://www.canada.com/technology/Canadian+successfully+grows+brain+cells/3341097/story.html

Posted by Nancy on 07/30 at 09:45 AM

Well, there is a cheaper, and quicker alternative.  The following is an excerpt from an e-mail (spam) I received on my Board’s site:

“PROGRAM RECRUITMENT:

Program #: 278195
Home Education Service will be recruiting eligible people for our diploma program.
Recruitment cut-off date is Monday August 2nd, 2010.
DETAILS
Within a 4 to 6 week period you can obtain a fully verifiable diploma.
Diplomas are globally qualified and accepted.
Courses will not be required.
QUALIFICATIONS:
-Work experience in Diploma of choice
-At least 18 years or older
AVAILABLE DEGREE LEVELS:
-Bachelors
-Masters
-Doctorate”

I wonder if you paid them more, you could get an HD designation?  wink

Posted by Wayne Scott Ng on 07/30 at 10:09 AM

hmmm.  Obviously people bite; otherwise there wouldn’t be this kind of spam.
In relation to students paying higher tuition, I do wonder about what’s going on at Harvard.  Don’t they pay 100% there?  From what I’ve been reading, the professors are dumbing things down in order to accommodate the students.  Perhaps a little indifference is a good thing…

Posted by Bev on 07/30 at 10:26 AM

Wayne - that’s so funny it’s really quite sick.

It’s almost as funny as what I saw in last week. A new community, with a nice new elementary school and a small strip mall across the street from the school.

On those handy, dandy signs that the McGuinty gov’t paid for with our money for every school in the province was a message from the school advertising the school start date in September and that tutoring is available. Where? Across the street in that strip mall.

Another one of those times when I wish I had a camera or cellphone.

Posted by Chuck on 07/30 at 10:30 AM

I could see the government picking up the cost of a student attending university if far fewer kids attended university and it was still considered a pretty significant undertaking.

The thinking nowadays seems to be that pretty much everyone who wants to go can go and a standard undergrad degree is common. so I don’t see the “old model” of funding as being appropriate because the sheer size of the university system makes it a wildly expensive institution.

On a personal level I’ve never seen processing more and more kids through universities as a good thing, largely because you’re generating “credential creep”.  I have various friends whose kids finish university and end up working at jobs which really don’t require that level of education.

Then there’s the assumption that the government has a bottomless pool of money so they can spend more on this without spending less on something else.

I suspect universities are rather like school boards; they’ll always claim to be short of what’s required in the way of money.

Posted by John L on 07/30 at 02:29 PM
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