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Public Education - A Right or a Privilege?

Public Education - A Right or a Privilege?
May 06, 2011 by .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address) at 06:19 AM

Nobody seems to be paying much attention to the trend in public schools towards worse and worse student behaviour in class. We have blogged on it a few times - for example, this posting

The elephant in the room, rarely discussed, is schools' inability to expel - or even discipline in any meaningful way - misbehaving students. Here's a commentary that tackles the issue head on, blaming "the Left" for ensuring that chronically-disruptive students remain in classrooms, even when they are "plunging classrooms into chaos and preventing dozens of students from learning". The commentator believes that schools should be able to expel badly-behaved students.

Such a philosophy would beg the question of whether attendance in public schools is a right or a privilege. Piranhas - feel free to attack this question!

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“Sure, many of the public schools are extremely violent, dangerous places where a large number of students never progress beyond elementary school reading levels, but at least all of the delinquent students’ “rights” are being protected and all the teachers are union members. So the sad truth is that leftists are happy to allow tens of thousands of children to suffer in order to protect the “rights” of a few hundred chronically misbehaving students, and safeguard union privileges.

Leftists’ reluctance to discipline children is also preventing educators from effectively combating bullying. As conservative columnist Thomas Sowell recently pointed out, politicians and educators talk a lot about eliminating bullying and violence in schools, but they don’t wind up doing much about the situation. Part of the problem, as Sowell notes, is that the courts (i.e. liberal judges) have prevented public schools from effectively punishing bullies. In addition, school officials’ fear of “the R word” (racist) has prevented them from disciplining many students.”

As to the question, a right or a privilege? Neither, since children are compelled by law to attend school, and not necessarily a public school. In my neck of the woods, misbehaving students are treated a little differently by the parents, when the schools do not take action on the misbehaving kids and the bullies. The parents phone up the police, and it is fairly effective because most parents have some explaining to do when the police car is sitting in their driveway. Very effective when I resorted to using the police, where 4 girls were verbally bullying my child, during final exams. I even receive a phone call from one of the parents, totally offended that I would resort to such actions for name calling. More embarrassed by the police car in their driveway, and the behaviour of their own child. As for the more serious situations of assaults that take place at the school, where the school does not bring in the police to lay criminal charges, the parents have also found the police to be quite helpful, to push the school to do the right thing, suspend the student. And in some cases charges are laid, without the cooperation of the school. A more recent case, a 14 year old boy is now in custody, for behaviour that was tolerated by the school for many years. It was the parents that decided to get the police involved to push for charges.

I believe that children have the right to a safe environment free of bullying and disruptive behaviour by other children. Schools should be force to take immediate action, to suspend or to provide alternative education in the home setting, until the student’s behaviour improves, or the police will be brought in to arrange a court date. As the article has stated, all the rights are afforded to the disruptive student or the bully, but no rights are afforded to the other students who become their victims. Immediate consequences does a wonderful job in my books, to curb bad behaviour even in the home setting.

Posted by Nancy on 05/06 at 05:42 PM

School attendance is a right provided that the student follows the school’s code of conduct.

School’s main focus is to teach. One can teach effectively only if the environment is relatively free of interruptions. Students that are consistenly disruptive for whatever reason should not be in regular classrooms.

Let’s stop sacrificing the majority for the sake of a minority in the name of polical corectness!

This year my friend’s boy was experiencing problems in middle school. The boy was attending one of middle schools in Toronto that has very, very good results.
(People move to the area for their kids to be able to attend this school).
The boy was coming home every day angry and frustrated how school is stupid and how such and such did this and that and how they are not doing anything interesting.
She went to school to discuss and she was told that her boy has to learn to be patient.

What was happening was that in that class there were several disruptive students and in pretty much all the classes the first 5-10-15 min were spent with the teacher waiting for everybody to quiet down. No sooner did the teacher start that 10 minutes later somebody interrupted again.

Eventually the story has a relatively happy ending. After another discussion with the school, one of the boy’s teachers suggested the boy be tested for giftedness and he scored high enough to be placed in a gifted class.

In the gifted class they use exactly the same textbooks and the exactly same discovery, constructivist approach.
However at least they cover all the material in the textbooks, they have a reasonable amount of homework and since the students are interested there are few behaviour problems.

The whole situation also raises the question: how come that the boy was not identified as gifted four years earlier in grade 3?

Does it mean the teachers are not trained well enough to spot potential candidates?
Does it mean the test gets administered only to the students whose parents are squeaky wheels?
Does it mean that the way the test is administered can be tweaked for student to qualify as gifted and that way enable the school to find a way out of a problematic situation?
Who knows ...

Posted by fromEurope on 05/06 at 07:00 PM

Yah, Europe, that sums it up—who knows…
Children need the firm hand discipline.  When they’re acting up, they’re looking for boundaries, and it scares them when there are none.

Posted by Bev on 05/07 at 08:04 AM
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